Sanctus Norbértum et Walterus S.R.E. Cardinalis Kasper

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I found this floating on the internet after watching a story on Churchmilitant.tv. Fr. Z. has also picked up on this story too... (AS OF NOW... HIS BLOG IS DOWN. I WILL LINK THE STORY IN LATER)

 Cardinal Kasper comments on Vatican II

Cardinal Walter Kasper gives some thoughts on Vatican II which were published in L'Osservatore Romano. To the best of my knowledge, it is the first time some of this information has been reported, particularly in the Vatican's own newspaper. 

The original Italian translated by Google (the English version is not online as of yet but I will do my best to post it when it becomes available). 

http://translate.google.com/translat...ed=0CDMQ7gEwAA

There are three direct quotes from Cardinal Kasper, plus one quote from a commentator.

ENJOY

  

Originally Posted by (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)

"In many places, [the Council Fathers] had to find compromise formulas, in which, often, the positions of the majority are located immediately next to those of the minority, designed to delimit them. Thus, the conciliar texts themselves have a huge potential for conflict, open the door to a selective reception in either direction."

Originally Posted by (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)

“For most Catholics, the developments put in motion by the council are part of the church’s daily life. But what they are experiencing is not the great new beginning nor the springtime of the church, which were expected at that time, but rather a church that has a wintery look, and shows clear signs of crisis.”

Originally Posted by (Cardinal Walter Kasper, L'Osservatore Romano, April 12, 2013)

"For those who know the story of the twenty councils recognized as ecumenical, this [the state of confusion] will not be a surprise. The post-conciliar times were almost always turbulent. The [Second] Vatican, however, is a special case."

Originally Posted by John Thavis

Kasper said some critics still consider Vatican II as “a disaster and the greatest calamity in recent times.” But the cardinal said it was wrong to presume that “everything that happened after the council also happened because of the council,” and that the critics need to look more closely at more general social trends of that era.

This is also a fair point and is worth noting and repeating. For things to have gone as nuts as they did in some cases as fast as they did, there almost certainly had to be underlying problems which were already in existence. People were simply not in full obedience to the Church one day and the next turn into raving heretics. That simply does not add up. I think it is fair to say that the situation in the world in the 1960's combined with the changing social norms, contributed to the problems which manifested.

S. Norbértus, nobilíssimis paréntibus natus, adoléscens liberálibus disciplínis erudítus, in ipsa póstea imperatóris aula, spretis mundi illécebris, ecclesiásticæ milítiæ adscríbi vóluit. Sacris initiátus, prædicatióni verbi Dei se totum dedit. Innúmeros hæréticos ad fidem, peccatóres ad pœniténtiam, dissidéntes ad pacem et concórdiam revocávit. Desértum locum, qui Præmonstrátus dicebátur, in Laudunénsi diœcési sibi delégit; ibíque, trédecim sóciis aggregátis, Præmonstraténsem órdinem instítuit, qui mirífice propagátus est. Archiepíscopus Magdeburgénsis, licet relúctans, creátus, ecclesiásticam disciplínam, cælibátum præsértim, constánter propugnávit. Rhemis in concílio Innocéntium secúndum egrégie adiúvit, et Romam cum áliis epíscopis proféctus, schisma Petri Leónis compréssit. Magdebúrgi obdormívit in Dómino, anno salútis millésimo centésimo trigésimo quarto, die sexta Iúnii.

St. Norbert was born of most noble parents and, as a young man, studied the liberal arts. Then, while serving in the court of the Emperor himself, he spurned the seductions of the world and decided to enroll among the soldiers of the Church. After receiving holy orders he devoted himself entirely to preaching the word of God. He brought back innumerable heretics to the faith, sinners to penance, quarrellers to peace and concord. He retired to a desert place called Prémontré in the diocese of Laon ; and there, with thirteen companions, he founded the Premonstratensian Order, which spread in a marvellous way. Against his will, he was made Archbishop of Magdeburg, and constantly defended ecclesiastical discipline and especially celibacy. At the Council of Rheims, he was a strong champion of Innocent II ; and going to Rome with other bishops, he put an end to the schism of Pierleone. He fell asleep in the Lord at Magdeburg on the 6th day of June in the year of salvation 1134.

Orémus

Deus, qui beatum Norbertum Confessorem tuum atque Pontificem, verbi tui praeconem eximium effecisti, et per eum Ecclesiam tuam nova prole foecundasti: praesta quaesumus: ut eiusdem suffragantibus meritis, quod ore simul et opere docuit, te adiuvante exercere valeamus.

Let us pray

O God, Who didst make thy blessed Confessor and Bishop Norbert a notable preacher of thy Word, and wast pleased to make thy Church thereby fruitful in a new family of sons, grant, we beseech thee, unto us, that we being holpen by thee for his sake, may have strength to do those worthy deeds whereunto his words and works alike do move us.

I would Imagine St. Norbert would not stand for such unclearness.... why be deliberate!!!!

Any way.. Catch you later.....

Vale Amicus, Till Next time....